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		<title>By: NIXTY&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dead Shark Problem - When Communities Die</title>
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		<dc:creator>NIXTY&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dead Shark Problem - When Communities Die</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Glen Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-3126</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet - yes, I totally agree, value is key. People have to want to do something. It really has to be intrinsic. What we are trying to provide is a platform on which others can add value - whether they be institutions, educators, or students. I think each of these groups find value in different ways.

Institutions often keep communities/LMS alive because they have to - they are the lifeblood of the school, college, or business. Educators, from the little bit of research I&#039;ve done, are seeming to find value primarily in sharing learning materials, networking with other teachers to share  teaching tips/hints, having a professional/easy to setup web presence, and making money.

Learners are an entirely different category with a bunch of subcategories. These are very broad sub-categories, but they begin to hint at the value these groups might be looking for.
-lifelong learners - want to learn new skills and keep their minds young.
-test-prep - a place to encourage each other and find study materials to pass the GMAT, LSAT, GRE etc.
-students - K-12 and college - ability to form study groups
-homeschoolers - place to connect, share curriculum and share teaching responsibilities amongst parents.

I&#039;m really enjoying this discussion. Thanks for posting on it. I plan on writing a bit more on our company blog on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet &#8211; yes, I totally agree, value is key. People have to want to do something. It really has to be intrinsic. What we are trying to provide is a platform on which others can add value &#8211; whether they be institutions, educators, or students. I think each of these groups find value in different ways.</p>
<p>Institutions often keep communities/LMS alive because they have to &#8211; they are the lifeblood of the school, college, or business. Educators, from the little bit of research I&#8217;ve done, are seeming to find value primarily in sharing learning materials, networking with other teachers to share  teaching tips/hints, having a professional/easy to setup web presence, and making money.</p>
<p>Learners are an entirely different category with a bunch of subcategories. These are very broad sub-categories, but they begin to hint at the value these groups might be looking for.<br />
-lifelong learners &#8211; want to learn new skills and keep their minds young.<br />
-test-prep &#8211; a place to encourage each other and find study materials to pass the GMAT, LSAT, GRE etc.<br />
-students &#8211; K-12 and college &#8211; ability to form study groups<br />
-homeschoolers &#8211; place to connect, share curriculum and share teaching responsibilities amongst parents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really enjoying this discussion. Thanks for posting on it. I plan on writing a bit more on our company blog on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5309</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet - yes, I totally agree, value is key. People have to want to do something. It really has to be intrinsic. What we are trying to provide is a platform on which others can add value - whether they be institutions, educators, or students. I think each of these groups find value in different ways.

Institutions often keep communities/LMS alive because they have to - they are the lifeblood of the school, college, or business. Educators, from the little bit of research I&#039;ve done, are seeming to find value primarily in sharing learning materials, networking with other teachers to share  teaching tips/hints, having a professional/easy to setup web presence, and making money.

Learners are an entirely different category with a bunch of subcategories. These are very broad sub-categories, but they begin to hint at the value these groups might be looking for.
-lifelong learners - want to learn new skills and keep their minds young.
-test-prep - a place to encourage each other and find study materials to pass the GMAT, LSAT, GRE etc.
-students - K-12 and college - ability to form study groups
-homeschoolers - place to connect, share curriculum and share teaching responsibilities amongst parents.

I&#039;m really enjoying this discussion. Thanks for posting on it. I plan on writing a bit more on our company blog on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet &#8211; yes, I totally agree, value is key. People have to want to do something. It really has to be intrinsic. What we are trying to provide is a platform on which others can add value &#8211; whether they be institutions, educators, or students. I think each of these groups find value in different ways.</p>
<p>Institutions often keep communities/LMS alive because they have to &#8211; they are the lifeblood of the school, college, or business. Educators, from the little bit of research I&#8217;ve done, are seeming to find value primarily in sharing learning materials, networking with other teachers to share  teaching tips/hints, having a professional/easy to setup web presence, and making money.</p>
<p>Learners are an entirely different category with a bunch of subcategories. These are very broad sub-categories, but they begin to hint at the value these groups might be looking for.<br />
-lifelong learners &#8211; want to learn new skills and keep their minds young.<br />
-test-prep &#8211; a place to encourage each other and find study materials to pass the GMAT, LSAT, GRE etc.<br />
-students &#8211; K-12 and college &#8211; ability to form study groups<br />
-homeschoolers &#8211; place to connect, share curriculum and share teaching responsibilities amongst parents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really enjoying this discussion. Thanks for posting on it. I plan on writing a bit more on our company blog on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-3125</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - your explanation is excellent.

I think the value the community brings to individual members is as important as the value of the content itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; your explanation is excellent.</p>
<p>I think the value the community brings to individual members is as important as the value of the content itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5308</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - your explanation is excellent.

I think the value the community brings to individual members is as important as the value of the content itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; your explanation is excellent.</p>
<p>I think the value the community brings to individual members is as important as the value of the content itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-3124</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin-
Interesting to ponder...authenticity and transparency.
Authenticity (to me) is about truthfulness and transparency (to me) is about openness.

So, when I&#039;m writing about this topic in this blog, I&#039;m making sure I attribute information, keep things in the right context, not change information (vs. just making meaning which of course is OK). RE: transparency...it&#039;s being able to say I don&#039;t have the answers, this hasn&#039;t worked for me (and here&#039;s why), etc.

(BTW...I totally agree that this is crucial...no one likes BS, blather, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin-<br />
Interesting to ponder&#8230;authenticity and transparency.<br />
Authenticity (to me) is about truthfulness and transparency (to me) is about openness.</p>
<p>So, when I&#8217;m writing about this topic in this blog, I&#8217;m making sure I attribute information, keep things in the right context, not change information (vs. just making meaning which of course is OK). RE: transparency&#8230;it&#8217;s being able to say I don&#8217;t have the answers, this hasn&#8217;t worked for me (and here&#8217;s why), etc.</p>
<p>(BTW&#8230;I totally agree that this is crucial&#8230;no one likes BS, blather, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5307</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin-
Interesting to ponder...authenticity and transparency.
Authenticity (to me) is about truthfulness and transparency (to me) is about openness.

So, when I&#039;m writing about this topic in this blog, I&#039;m making sure I attribute information, keep things in the right context, not change information (vs. just making meaning which of course is OK). RE: transparency...it&#039;s being able to say I don&#039;t have the answers, this hasn&#039;t worked for me (and here&#039;s why), etc.

(BTW...I totally agree that this is crucial...no one likes BS, blather, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin-<br />
Interesting to ponder&#8230;authenticity and transparency.<br />
Authenticity (to me) is about truthfulness and transparency (to me) is about openness.</p>
<p>So, when I&#8217;m writing about this topic in this blog, I&#8217;m making sure I attribute information, keep things in the right context, not change information (vs. just making meaning which of course is OK). RE: transparency&#8230;it&#8217;s being able to say I don&#8217;t have the answers, this hasn&#8217;t worked for me (and here&#8217;s why), etc.</p>
<p>(BTW&#8230;I totally agree that this is crucial&#8230;no one likes BS, blather, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet, can you say a little more about &quot;value&quot; and &quot;shared value?&quot;  What I had in mind is something like this:

Take that TRDEV listserv.  Some members found value in the advice posted by certain people who were expert (or experienced) in some topic.  Some members found value in being able to ask questions.  Some members found value in being able to share their opinion, experience, or expertise.  Some members found value in being able to read or participant in discussions (or threads with disagreements) because the discussion added to the reader&#039;s knowledge.

Not all members of the list shared all of these values, and not all members would give the same weight to any one value.  But on the average, enough members as individuals (a) shared enough of the values with some other members and (b) &lt;i&gt;found&lt;/i&gt; sufficient value for themselves, to remain.  (That explains why &quot;lurk&quot; is not necessarily a four-letter word.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet, can you say a little more about &#8220;value&#8221; and &#8220;shared value?&#8221;  What I had in mind is something like this:</p>
<p>Take that TRDEV listserv.  Some members found value in the advice posted by certain people who were expert (or experienced) in some topic.  Some members found value in being able to ask questions.  Some members found value in being able to share their opinion, experience, or expertise.  Some members found value in being able to read or participant in discussions (or threads with disagreements) because the discussion added to the reader&#8217;s knowledge.</p>
<p>Not all members of the list shared all of these values, and not all members would give the same weight to any one value.  But on the average, enough members as individuals (a) shared enough of the values with some other members and (b) <i>found</i> sufficient value for themselves, to remain.  (That explains why &#8220;lurk&#8221; is not necessarily a four-letter word.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5306</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet, can you say a little more about &quot;value&quot; and &quot;shared value?&quot;  What I had in mind is something like this:

Take that TRDEV listserv.  Some members found value in the advice posted by certain people who were expert (or experienced) in some topic.  Some members found value in being able to ask questions.  Some members found value in being able to share their opinion, experience, or expertise.  Some members found value in being able to read or participant in discussions (or threads with disagreements) because the discussion added to the reader&#039;s knowledge.

Not all members of the list shared all of these values, and not all members would give the same weight to any one value.  But on the average, enough members as individuals (a) shared enough of the values with some other members and (b) &lt;i&gt;found&lt;/i&gt; sufficient value for themselves, to remain.  (That explains why &quot;lurk&quot; is not necessarily a four-letter word.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet, can you say a little more about &#8220;value&#8221; and &#8220;shared value?&#8221;  What I had in mind is something like this:</p>
<p>Take that TRDEV listserv.  Some members found value in the advice posted by certain people who were expert (or experienced) in some topic.  Some members found value in being able to ask questions.  Some members found value in being able to share their opinion, experience, or expertise.  Some members found value in being able to read or participant in discussions (or threads with disagreements) because the discussion added to the reader&#8217;s knowledge.</p>
<p>Not all members of the list shared all of these values, and not all members would give the same weight to any one value.  But on the average, enough members as individuals (a) shared enough of the values with some other members and (b) <i>found</i> sufficient value for themselves, to remain.  (That explains why &#8220;lurk&#8221; is not necessarily a four-letter word.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S</title>
		<link>http://janetclarey.com/2008/05/19/keeping-learning-alive-in-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-3122</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great list and says a lot in a really simple way. I think it also applies to any community. An online community, local book club, meditation group, civics club, whatever.

One thing I might add: Authenticity or genuineness. The person leading or focusing the community should bring a sense of authenticity. He/she should be genuine -- truly behind the community and sincerely interested in its success. And authentically passionate about it. Is this the same as being &quot;transparent?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great list and says a lot in a really simple way. I think it also applies to any community. An online community, local book club, meditation group, civics club, whatever.</p>
<p>One thing I might add: Authenticity or genuineness. The person leading or focusing the community should bring a sense of authenticity. He/she should be genuine &#8212; truly behind the community and sincerely interested in its success. And authentically passionate about it. Is this the same as being &#8220;transparent?&#8221;</p>
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